It's true, I can't actually remember what season we're up to. I think it's six, but it could be five. Anyway, I haven't watched any of it yet, and I might wait until all the episodes are out and then sit down and watch them all at once.
I thought I'd throw this page up anyway, however, and if anyone wants to kick things off, I'm just as happy to catch up and watch them as they come out.
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JON SNOW!!! May still know nothing though.
I think they should loose the dragons. Chaining them in a dungeon is cruel. How did they manage them in the time of the Tagereans?
I think there will be much rejoicing when Ramsay Bolton finally gets his. How on earth did they manage to come up with a character more awful than Joffrey?
EPISODE 1.
Okay, I've made a start.
As far as Ramsay goes, a story like this needs its monsters, and I'll take a monster with even a little depth over some ice-zombie things that do nothing but shriek and kill people.
The Dragons I can see being important later on—when they have to fight the zombies. Yes, I'm not looking forward to where I think this is heading.
I'm still curious about—um—shit; y'know, it's becoming a tradition now that I can't remember the names of characters from this show—the youngest Stark girl—the one who's blind now—Ariel? Anya? Whaterver. I'm curious to see what they do with Blinky Stark. I get this vibe that she's destined to be some sort of great warrior, but surely the show's not actually gonna run that long, is it?
And speaking of destiny: Y'know, I once tried to go back and re-watch the old episodes (it turns out I don't love the show that much). Anyway, I'm convinced that in season one, they talked about Circe's first child—a black haired boy (obviously a true Beratheon)—and how he died from fever. Well, this is probably a common theory, but what if that was Jon Snow, eh? That'd make him rightful heir to the throne, wouldn't it, and if he got together with dragon girl, well, you wouldn't get any more rightful than that.
Also, I have this suspicion that the character of Veris has been retroactively changed to make him more likeable. Wasn't it firmly established in the early episodes that he was a pedo?
Episode 2.
The child actors grow up so much between season. How long—in story time—has Bran been living under that tree?
Who's the girl with the weird skin? Am I supposed to recognise her? Was she part of their little scooby gang two seasons ago?
And if it's "not safe to leave the cave" what the fuck are they eating in there?
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Well, that was awfully convenient—having old uncle Iron-Born come out of nowhere to off the old king like that. Didn't really make a lot of sense—story wise—though, did it?
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More magic, more dragons; where's the fucking drama and political intrigue? Interesting that they'd choose to humanise the Red Woman in this way though—especially after what happened at the end of last season. Onion Knight is still great as ever.
Hey, here's another thought, Jon Snow's oath to the Night's Watch was probably "until the day he died", right? Well, technically, he's free of that now, right?
EPISODE 3.
My first thought upon seeing the lost city of Dothraki: "Oh, so this is where Dragon Girl's next wave of followers comes from".
Also, I was wondering when Rikon and the Wildling Woman (Oola?) would resurface. I'm fucked if I could see a fuckin' thing that happened in that scene though. Ramsay needs to get the fuckin' power connected in Winterfell. Christ, he's been there long enough.
This might be the first episode of the series that I didn't mind. It felt like some plot finally happened.
I don't remember Veris being a pedo! He's a eunuch, so that makes it hard (no pun intended)
I want to know what the point of torturing Arya and basically brain wiping her was.
I do not understand people's devotion to Danearys, but she does have nice tits. Also I'm beginning to think that the writers (not necessarily Martin, since we are so off-book) don't know how to write a rounded female character. Cersei is the only one whose actions make sense (apart from fucking Jaime - oh wait he's very pretty and upright, I take that back - actually he makes less sense in that regard).
Suze, you're probably right about Veris, but I still can't shake that feeling.
I'm positive that Arya's being built up for something—logically, a master assassin. From a plot point of view, it makes the most "sense" for her to be instrumental in defeating Cersei's monster "Mountainstein", and maybe she'll even kill Cersei herself. Who's left alive that was on her list?
I think your theory about Dragon Girl is spot on. She obviously has magic tits. She shows them to people and they fall down and worship her. There's no other reasonable explanation.
Also, I don't think it's just the female characters. I think this whole show is going off the rails. I dunno if it's got to do with branching away from the books or not since I haven't read any of them, but I can say I'm starting to get to the point where I'm looking forward to the show ending.
EPISODE 4.
03:30 | How good does Brienne look on that horse?
04:10 | Castle Black? More like Castle Green (screen). You'd think they could do a little bit better now that it's the most popular show on Earth.
07:30 | How will retaking Winterfell make them safe?
09:00 | Well, that solves the mystery of whether or not Stannis is actually dead. I find myself liking Brienne more and more.
09:40 | Wow, the wimpy kid grew up quickly too.
24:15 | Brilliant, another fight scene that's too dimly lit to follow.
43:20 | Liking Yara more and more as well.
46:35 | Oh, that's disappointing. I was really hoping they'd do something more interesting with that girl's character. Stabbed in the neck by Ramsay feels kinda anticlimactic at this point.
55:00 | Fuck! What was that temple made of? Fuckin' thing went up in under a minute.
56:00 | How did she walk out when the doors were locked?
The most exciting part of this whole episode was the small council meetings.
Hey, does anyone remember that sub-plot with the "Iron Bank"? I wonder if that's ever going to amount to anything.
EPISODE 5.
13:00 | The vaudeville act was fun, if a little terse. I wonder if I can do the rest of this in verse?
13:50 | Good to see a bit more nob on this show. Real or fake though?
15:00 | Scratching my head with an air of surprise. When did Arya get back her eyes?
23:30 | No surprise though, that a bunch of ultra-masculine warrior pricks; would be seduced by a leader making boasts 'bout his dick.
32:00 | Yet another magician to give me the shits. I wonder if we'll be seeing a lot of her tits.
47:20 | Sorcerers and zombies, it's becoming a farce. The show can shove all this stuff right up its arse.
51:20 | I guess it was time for Bran's wolf to go. How many of the buggers are left on this show?
55:30 | And I guess poor old Hodor's time is now past. But how far can that girl get, dragging Bran's crippled arse?
Should I keep rhyming? No, I'll give that a miss. And apologies to Squib if she ends up reading this.
The reason the Khalasaars' meeting house went up so quickly is that the Dothraki don't believe in building with stone, so everything is made of wood and animal skin, and she knocked over a whole bunch of vats of burning oil that they were using to light it. Which is why she was able to get out of the door - it was made of wood and presumably burnt away (though now I think on it, given the rest of the structure was still standing, it is a bit far-fetched).
Haha your rhyming made me laugh so much, thanks.
Arya's kill list (from HBO's website)
Joffrey - DEAD
Cersei
Walder Frey
Maryn Trant - DEAD BY ARYA'S HAND
Tywin Lannister - DEAD
The Red Woman
Beric Dondarrion - (keeps coming back to life by some magic)
Thoros of Myr
Ilyn Payn
The Mountain - DEAD but back - seems to be undead
The Hound - Unclear. Arya left him to die after his battle with Brienne, but did he?
So that leaves five arseholes to kill. And one, maybe two more. I've always thought the Hound would kill the Mountain, but I don't know if that's just a poetic fantasy on my part. And since nothing is poetic about this show (except your couplets above), it most likely won't happen (again?).
Arya got her eyes back after she got beaten up a few billion times by the stick bitch. Apparently they judge her brainwashed enough by now. Plus, she can now fight blindfolded. Husband says she's being set up to be an assassin too. He pointed out to me that it will be interesting to see what she does if she's told to kill one of her family instead of any of the other fucks on this show who so sincerely deserve it.
Nob was real, but not very exciting. Kid Good to see a fucking foreskin though. So many Americans think a penis has no skin because circumcision is pretty much routine in the US, it's bizarre. Canada is not like that BTW. I had a Canadian BF once. And an American. I don't know what to do with a cut guy. (actually part of the reason this issue shits me so much is that when I was involved in Buffy fandom, people kept insisting on drawing/describing Spike's smooth shaft and shiny head. I'm sorry, there's no way a hundred-some year old British vampire would have been circumcised. It annoyed me no end. not least because of aforesaid problem with lack of foreskin. (though worth noting that excessive foreskin can also be an issue, haha))
Loving the looks that Tormald (?) is giving Brienne, and her reaction. Though it's worth noting that we're all ascribing her reaction to him as a man interested in her and she doesn't know what to do about it, while forgetting that he's a Wildling and she could as easily be freaking out because of that. (since they are generally thought of a sub-human)
Hodor's death made me cry so hard. He was an innocent, and just did as he was told. Out of all the shocking deaths in this show, his to me was the worst so far.
I went back and looked at that scene with the Dothraki meeting house. The floors had a bit of a funny look to them. I guess the whole interior was blanketed with animal hide? Also, it's easy to miss, but they do show the doors falling off their hinges. I also noticed all the wood that was falling form the ceiling. Dragon girl might not burn, but one would think she could still be crushed, no?
Apart from Cersei and The Red Woman, I don't recognise any of the living people on Arya's shit-list. I'm sure I'd remember them if you said "the bloke who did such and such" but for some reason I struggle keeping track of the names on this show. Did Ilyn Payn betray Rob, or was that Walder Frey? Beric & Thoros, I have no idea.
After Arya teamed up with The Hound, I thought the logical progression was that Mountain would kill Hound and Arya would, in turn, kill Mountain. If Hound is still alive, I suppose that's still possible. Interesting point about Arya maybe having to kill one of her own. Hmmm, what if she eventually has to kill Hound?
The show has built a reputation on killing off central characters, but I still have the feeling that some of them have become untouchable—Dragon Girl, for instance. I'm starting to get that feeling about Jon Show too. Also, I can't see them killing off Dinklage until right at the very end, just due to the sheer popularity of the character/actor.
I think the nob was a little bit exciting, just by virtue of the fact that it made it on screen. Some full frontal from the central cast wouldn't go astray though. Would they have the balls to show an erect one, I wonder? Agree with you on preferring the natural look … and feel … though I'm not sure that I've ever found it to make too much difference from a functional point of view. I know some fully retract when they're hard and others don't retract at all, but they all pretty much do the same thing … don't they?
Also interesting to hear that—much like myself—you're a former Buffy watcher and consumer of Rule34 material. Here's a question—what did you think of the Angel spin-off series?
Good point about Brienne and her wildling admirer, though I fancy I wouldn't mind seeing a rivalry with Jamie Lanister.
Poor old Hodor. In a story like this, he had to go eventually, but being killed by a zombie hoard seems far and away the stupidest way to do it.
#EPISODE 6:
04:34 | Am I the only person who's thoroughly fed up with the convention of a rescuer arriving at the last minute?
05:49 | a) You'd wanna have super-human strength to pick someone up like that, and b) that must be a fuckin' good horse to carry 3 bodies through the snow like that.
06:00 | Christ, how old is that kid supposed to be? Time has no fuckin' meaning on this show anymore.
14:00 | So, is Madge really brainwashed or is this a strategy? She always came off as a master-manipulator before. It'd be a bit rubbish if they were throwing that part of her character away now.
21:18 | Hmmm, I've been at family dinners that were like that. Thankfully, not my immediate family.
22:56 | Hang, on; she said he killed a "thenn" and then she said he killed a "white walker". What's a thenn? Are they the same thing?
24:34 | I like the stage-show. It gives you an insight into the version of history that the general public believe to be true.
27:25 | I'm actually really excited to see how this assassination plot works out—probably the most excited I've been all season. Either she succeeds in killing an innocent person, or something goes horribly wrong. It's lose/lose.
29:30 | Come to think of it, I'm fond of Arya's eyebrows too.
31:06 | Well, that's an interesting turn. Also, are we just going to agree to call the other one "Stick Bitch"? She never did get a name, did she?
41:35 | Was I supposed to recognise that bloke in the chains? Also, what's that old bloke's name again?
41:40 | Walder. Thank you Jamie.
• All I could think of, at the end there, was that dragon getting spooked by the cheers and unleashing a burst of flame into the Dothraki.
• What's the bet that Dragon Girl kills her salty admirer to become the first woman to lead the Iron Isle? They made such a big deal out of that last episode.
• The Uncle Benjin reveal seemed stupid and convoluted to me.
• Which one was The Black Fish again?
• It just occurred to me that if they don't actually have any big plans for Arya, this might be the most "sensible" way to end her story. It'd be a bit fucking disappointing, but I wouldn't bet against it.
EPISODE 7:
00:01 | Is this the 1st cold opening we've seen on this show?
01:50 | And it's THE HOUND! I have to admit, I'm a little bit excited about that.
06:19 | Wow, a likeable priest.
09:18 | I'd like to think I'm watching two master con-artists playing each other in this scene. I dread the possibility that I'm not—and all this is meant to be taken at face value.
11:55 | Hooray!
14:12 | I know this giant has to die at some point, but I'm really getting attached to him.
17:29 | Finally, an episode in this season that's FULL of negotiation, manipulation, and contemplation. Please let the last half not be a fucking sword-fight with zombies.
19:05 | 'bout time we had some more Bron & Jamie back & forth. This episode just keeps giving and giving.
27:04 | And Davos gets a moment to shine. Fuck, I love this.
28:17 | I've kind of lost track of allegiances here a little bit. Is the siege with Jamie & Bron tangentially related to the battle between the Starks & the Boltons? I need a fucking map and a scorecard.
34:01 | Wow, Sansa's really shit at this, isn't she? Sometimes I feel like her character hasn't grown at all. Which is a shame, considering what she's been through.
36:21 | The rebuilding of Theon, eh? This could actually be fun. Yarra's acting is a inexplicably shit in this scene though.
40:03 | Where did Sansa get that seal from? Did she escape Winterfell with it?
44:54 | Okay, okay; contrary to what I said before, I could stand to see the Hound kill three blokes with an axe. Just make it nice and quick.
46:56 | Without modern medicine, a gut wound like that should be as good as a death sentence. My spidey-sense tells me that's not gonna be the case though. Now the Hound's back, they'll have to reunite, won't they?
48:19 | Thank god they didn't show the massacre. It would have been a gratuitous waste of time, and just showing the aftermath is more effective anyway. Amazing that Hound didn't hear anything though. Is he going deaf or were the attackers in stealth mode.
The first really great episode of the season. Fuckin' took 'em long enough.
EPISODE 8:
09:16 | At this point, I think I'd be fine with the rest of the season just being about the Hound.
10:48 | I feel like Tyrion is being set up for a spectacular failure—or series of failures.
13:57 | Mountain seems even slower than before—and that was always his Achilles-heel.
16:11 | Comedic interlude with the side-kicks. Nice.
24:57 | No trial by combat, eh. We might be getting to the end of Cersei's run.
25:42 | Are we supposed to know what this "rumour" is, or is it going to be a surprise?
29:40 | I've seen some lightweights in my time, but Miss Sunday takes the cake.
30:12 | So, will the masters be beaten by the Dothraki horde, or by the Greyjoys? Or both.
32:44 | I didn't know "Edmure" was such an eloquent fellow. This speech seems a trifle convenient, don't you think?
42:30 | Was that Brienne & Jamie waving to each other? The scene was so fuckin' dark I couldn't make anything out.
44:17 | Oh right, the dragons can just torch the ships.
47:09 | I shudder to think about a world before the invention of socks. Might the Hound be joining the brotherhood?
48:41 | Well, I know one place where I wouldn't want to be filling my canteen.
50:53 | Dunno how much time was supposed to have passed, but a jump like that isn't going to do much for that gut wound.
51:05 | This chase scene kind of reminds me of something out of Terminator II.
56:59 | And it ends with another scene that's too dark for me to follow. Think I caught the general drift though.
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Have just read through all the GOT comments. We have been watching of course and have many theories. Stick Girl was the Waif. And that chase scene between her and Arya was so Terminator. I've enjoyed the theatre play scenes and backstage with the actors. I think it was instrumental in reminding Arya that she might have family still alive, also seeing what people think about her family. Ned was stupid to trust, but I think it's what decided her to reclaim her name and leave. But the Waif. That was all very weird. And the man with the unwritable name with the streak of grey in his hair, I never thought he was against Arya and in the end he seemed to be ok with her leaving. Which made me think the Waif wasn't real, or was a part of Arya, splitting or something. Let's face it she's been through a lot and has been on her own the longest - she is damaged. Overall I haven't liked the shades of Monty Python humour. I've loved Sansa, even when she isn't very good at what she's trying to do, at least she's trying something and is away from Ramsay. My first bet is she's pregnant with his baby. I also think Tyrion is heading for a fall. He has fucked things up, acting in Dany's interests, but I think he's miscalculated and all the drinking stuff he was pushing on Grey Worm and other woman starting with M - the ex slaves - so colonial and heavyhanded, also the stuff about his joke - another heavyhanded reference to cross-cultural communications and humour often not translating. I think he's going to die and I think it's going to happen soon. (I haven't watched tonight's ep yet.) I am happy if Theon can redeem, I feel for him and don't think he deserved what Ramsay did to him, he has been broken for so long, and now he is with power lesbian sister Yara, I hope it works out well for them, although she was a bit disrespectful in the whorehouse, not sure how I felt there... BUT. Oh Dany has been all 'I need 1000 ships' for seasons, and now she has the Iron Born steaming her way, also all the slavers in the bay. The dragon won't burn their boats I don't think, she needs them for her dothraki soldiers.
part 2
BUT we (me and Princess) don't think she is headed to Westeros, or we hope she isn't. We want her to go to Valerya (the original home for the Targaryens). She doesn't fit in Westeros. Her clothes are wrong and she is wrong, she is fire. Westeros is ice. They don't go together. So we have an 8 thrones theory, that Westeros will go back to 7 kingdoms and Valerya will be the 8th. So Jon and Bran etc will take care of the white walkers somehow. Maybe Jon is a Targaryen and can ride a dragon and get one to help get rid of the white walkers... I think the wall will come down and that territory north will be Bran's - in his weird wargy way. And what you said about the kids growing up - poor Bran, he's changed so much and is in that awkward gangling stage. We have hopes for Jon and Sansa (remember he likes a redhead) - I think Arya will kill Walder Frey. He is the one essentially to blame for the death of her older brother (name?) and her mother. Oh and I think Cersei will die too, and Jamie will go down. I never saw anything romantic between Jamie and Brienne. He is so much about Cersei and when she is executed, he will break. Oh we also think Dany is crazy - insane like the Mad King. Her brother was not sane, and if you think about it, all we get is her side of things, her point of view, and she has been very cold blooded with killing people etc.
Yes it was Jaime and Brienne waving to each other - it was dark we couldn't see well, and I wondered how it was they saw each other. So far away.
I think we're seeing the makers struggling without the blueprint of the books, and so characters and their motivations have gone awry. it's alsolike they've been biding time thelast couple of seasons, all the stuff about Arya where she was cooling her heels, hated all that. So glad she's on the move again with Needle. BUt that stomach injury, surely she would have died which is another reason I think it wasn't real.
Loved last ep with Al Swearengen from Deadwood as the preacher, and the Hound has changed, hasnt he? I thought there was a chance he would be alive - it's like he has softened. He talks more, is more thoughtful. Very interesting.
Who else? Can't think of anything, but am excited for tonight.
Hope you are well Alex!
oh, and penises. I prefer them circumcised myself so I'm amused you prefer them not. WHY?
FUCK THAT EPISODE WAS FREAKING AMAZING
SO MUCH SO MUCH SO MUCH
Hey Melbs, how's it going!? All good here.
I think I prefer the name "Stick Bitch" over "The Waif". Interesting theory about her being an aspect of Arya's subconscious, but I have my doubts about that ever being concretely confirmed.
Monty Python humour? You mean with Bron & Jamie/Pod?
I really wanted Sansa to become a devious schemer, like Madge, Granny Tyrell, or Cersei, and have been very disappointed with her lack of progress. I mean, I didn't want her transformed into an expert overnight, but at least something that parallels Arya's transformation into a warrior. I think there's a good chance you're right about her being pregnant. Ramsay's last words in the last episode, "You can't kill me. I'm a part of you now." I think there was probably a double meaning there.
I don't think Tyrion's going to be doing any dying just yet. But I do think he may have a lesson or two left to learn. I've decided to start calling the translator Miss Sundae, because that's what her name sounds like.
Story-wise, I think either Theon or Yarra are expendable, but probably not both (love the term "power lesbian" by the way). Theon still has some rebuilding to do. Maybe he gets a heroic death?
The Northern part of Westeros is icy, but King's Landing isn't. The dragons will be needed to fight the zombies but where the battle will actually take place, who can say. If Danny stays in Westeros, I can see her ruling from the South and making Jon the warden of the North. And giving the magical North Pole to Bran makes nothing but sense. He can rule from underneath an enchanted tree, and the little elf people can make toys for all the well-behaved children of the known world. Also, after this last episode, I can see the possibility that Dani rebuilds Velerya and rules both Westeros & Esteros (or whatever it's called) from there; possibly giving greater autonomy to the individual kingdoms, just like she's pledged to do with the Iron Isles. Maybe, in the process of rebuilding Velerya, she can cure the stone-men, provided what's-his-name finds a cure. She can be like a Dragon-riding Moses/Jesus/Mohammad with magic tits. I would be very surprised if she goes crazy like her old man. It would be an interesting turn though.
The Stark brother who was betrayed by the Freys was Rob—the one name in this show I actually do remember. We know Walder likes young girls, and Arya's already assassinated one pedo, so that's probably another good call.
The Hound always had a softer and more thoughtful side. Remember how he looked out for Sansa and he ultimately decided that Joffrey wasn't worth fighting for. I do think his time with Arya brought it out of him more though.
I think it's clear that Brienne has feelings for Jamie, and Jamie feels something for Brienne—it just might not be attraction. I think Cersei's death would free Jamie up to some degree—once he got over the initial shock, obviously. Of course, Cersei has to at least outlive Tomen. I'm trying to imagine the logistics of her execution, should she be sentenced to death. What do you do with Mountainstein and the Mountain/Hound/Arya triangle. Would it be more interesting if Cersei has to flee and live like a common outlaw on the run?
#EPISODE 9:
10:27 | Nice touch that Tyrion turned away when Grey Worm cut those two bloke's throats. That he couldn't bring himself to watch speaks volumes about the character.
11:18 | It would have been a nice touch if they'd zoomed out to show that bloke kneeling in a puddle of his own piss.
15:58 | Well, either Snow's going to beat Ramsay with cunning, or Lady-Finger's going to show up with an army from The Vale. And what's Jamie doing now that he knows about what's going on.
17:32 | I'm still disappointed with Sansa's development, and I've never had any great love for Jon, but a war council with Onion-Knight and Tormund-Bear-Fucker is priceless.
20:22 | And Sansa shows another spark of hope that she might still develop into something interesting. On the other hand, I feel like I've been fooled too many times before.
21:21 | Please let Onion-Knight & Bear-Fucker become a regular comedy pairing. Please.
25:38 | Shouldn't the camp have sentries? Is it unheard of that anyone would ever attack at night? Also, it suddenly seems very possible that the Red Woman might not see the end of the season.
26:36 | The Iron Born arrived very suddenly in Mereen. So suddenly, it feels like there was a scene missing there. Sloppy.
27:49 | Do I see a friendship sparking between Danni & Yara? (still chuckling over the term Power Lesbian, by the way).
30:05 | Has Danni never shaken hands before … ?
33:52 | I predict the plan is that Ramsay's going to set the dogs on Rickon and Jon will—almost certainly—run to save him, spurring his forces to charge forward, abandoning their plan. Is that how it'll actually go down though?
34:27 | Okay, not the dogs, but not that far off.
35:26 | Okay, I'm off the money. Is he going to shoot Jon? Has he brainwashed Rickon? What's the twist?
37:00 | Oh, well, this is going to be a cluster-fuck, isn't it? It's all down to Lady-Finger now, I guess.
40:06 | Well, Jon Snow knows a couple of things: He knows how to be unbeatable with a sword, and he also knows how to be incredibly lucky.
41:11 | Christ, they're literally fighting a fucking uphill battle. By rights, this SHOULD be a massacre.
42:47 | Lady-Finger, Lady-Finger, Lady-Finger …
46:40 | At this point, I don't even fucking know what's going on. Jon's suffocating?
47:42 | BEAR FUCKER!!!!
47:50 | FINALY! Lady-Finger arrives. Have I mentioned before that I'm getting fed up with last-minute rescues?
49:43 | Wouldn't it be nice if Sansa got to strike the killing blow?
51:02 | Yeah, I knew the poor old giant couldn't last. He will be missed though.
57:56 | And thus, Ramsay Bolton meets a most poetic end. Oh, and it WAS Sansa. Very good. There's hope for the girl yet.
I've been complaining bitterly about this show having too much combat in recent years. This episode … I really got into it. It strikes me though that there's a lot of tidying-up being done in preparation for the big showdown with the zombies. Just Cersei vs the sparrows to go (and maybe the Martells, I dunno what's happening there). What's the bet that next episode ends with the walking dead reaching—or possibly breaching—the wall?
Oh, here's a thought; the Ice-King waves his hands in the air and the whole wall crumbles before him. Hmmm?
Moving on from GoT, I dunno exactly what informs my preference in nobs, but I have got a few ideas. To start with, I generally feel like a nob without a foreskin is missing something. Probably because it is. Remember the days when lad's mags used to air-brush the flaps off of fannies?* I suppose a real flapless fanny would still be functional, but it'd be a bit fuckin' weird though, wouldn't it? That's probably true for a face without lips too. I suppose early exposure also plays a part. Oh, and the idea of lopping bits off of babies makes me uncomfortable as well.
Of course, I'm interested in hearing everyone else's opinion on the matter as well.
* For some reason I'm channelling my 20yo self. I think watching Tormund Bear-Fucker in action has brought out the vulgarity in me.
I reckon Sansa is being strategic... Just a hunch.
I loved the fight scene, and did you notice that Jon seemed 'protected'- at first he seemed just lucky with all the arrows missing him as he was racing out to Rickon. Then he went in on foot and I thought he was going to die, but nup. Then during the first part of the fight scene a few occasions where a rider was coming straight for him and then intercepted, but behind him so we saw but JOn didn't. This happened several times. He couldn't die and it wasn't luck it was something larger than that. Something godly. Even when he was walking towards Ramsay and the arrows were penetrating almost through the shield... I wonder if he *can* die now. For me, or us sitting on the couch, it was as clear as fucking day what was happening, but it was subtle, and I haven't seen ANYONE talking about it. I've seen some commentary about 'oh so cliched, that he survived, was almost killed then survived' as if people really just didn't see it.
Also look up a dude called Ozzy Man, he does the best podcast catch ups... funny and then a proper review. We only just discovered him. Seems he has retrospectively done back to Season One... SO FUNNY but he also talks really well about the themes. Love it. We are majorly obsessed with the show again after a lacklustre couple of seasons (although some good episodes in each of the two last seasons, they haven't been consistent for me.)
Hmmm, maybe Sansa's just a late bloomer.
I did notice that Jono seemed protected; but it wasn't clear to me whether it was the Lord of Light or the hand of the script writer at work.
Actually, when the Red Woman said that stuff about possibly bringing Jono back a second time, that was when I had the strongest sense that she was going to have to die; because it makes it less thrilling if we know our hero is immortal.
Here's a couple of thoughts I've had. 1) What're the chances that the Hound is killed and brought back? Then the resurected Clegane brothers can fight each other. 2) What if the magic that brought Jono back from the dead is the same magic that the Ice-King is using to control his army—giving them some sort of connection.
I checked out Ozzy Man. Thanks for the suggestion. You'll noticed I've already pinched some of his nicknames for characters.
I did think Jon Snow was protected in some way. I think he realised it too as he was just walking up to Ramsay with his shield getting all those arrows. Either that or he is the luckiest and most skilled fighter Westeros has ever seen. Mind you, he did almost suffocate and get trampled under that pile of bodies, so maybe not? I liked that Sansa was brutally realistic about Rickon's chances of survival (zero) once he was in Ramsay's possession. I hate that she told Jon and he was willing to throw away everything just for a half-brother he hasn't seen in six years or more and really does not know, who was never going to survive that run if he didn't even have the sense to zig-zag a bit!
That fight scene was seriously mega and I really really want to see how it was filmed. I imagine that Kit Harrington had a couple of incredibly demanding and draining days, but I also think it would have been hard to do a lot of takes of that, just because of the logistics of horses and muddy fields and equipment.
I was sad that Wan-wan died. I hope he was not truly the last of his kind.
I don't know if the Red Woman will survive the season or not. I'm unsure if she is required for the upcoming plot.
I think you'll need to learn some names Melba, if you want to do a podcast, hahahaha.
So happy when Ramsay Bolton bought it. Logistically, it makes no sense to make Sansa be pregnant, because with only one season left, they'd never wrap up that storyline. That said, she's a young healthy woman who was raped for weeks (months? years? it's hard to tell time on GoT), so it would be near impossible for her NOT to be pregnant at this point.
Missing in the discussion about Jaime and Brienne is the fact of his little psycho speech last week recalling the things he does for love. No longer hiding that he is Cersei's and the father of all her brats (only one left now though, and I'm sure he's not long for this world) seems to be good for his clarity of purpose. He was f*cking scary in that scene and I had almost forgotten - and now must keep reminding myself - that he's the reason Bran can't walk. Anywhoo the reappearance of Brienne in his life couldn't have been better timed, if only to remind him that he too, could be a better man(/woman). I've questioned the decisions of Brienne over the course of the seasons - particularly her insane attachment to Old Mama Stark (whose name I have now forgotten) even after she was dead. Her deep-seated desire to serve - even beyond when reason would have told her to abandon the purpose - is at once insanely honourable and insanely pathetic. My shipper heart still dreams of Jaime realising his insanity, throwing away Cersei like the rag doll she is, and embracing a life of breeding monster warriors with Brienne, but I can't see that happening.
I watched Ozzyman. He made me laugh, but there are lots of recappers out there, and it's also awesome to talk about the show with people at work and my husband. It allows me to flesh out my thoughts and take on new ones that others have suggested.
Oh and with regards to Sansa, I think she did not tell Jon about writing to Little Finger because she had not heard back from him OR she did not know if he would arrive in time to make a difference.
One other thing: hubby and I are working with the theory that Jon Snow is actually Robert Borathian's by Ned's sister, birthed while up North and handed to Eddard to raise to hide his existence from the world. (black of hair and all that) Which would make him the last Borathian heir, though no proof of that an all that knew are undoubtedly all dead by now. Has Mellisandre tried to fuck him ever?
Well I was right about Jon Snow not being Ned's. Just got the wrong father. :P
Also: is this now Mad Queen Cersei. She's outlived all her kids, that's enough to drive everyone mad. And has she thrown Jaime over for the Iron Throne?
Suze:
I dunno if Jonno knew he was protected, or his experience of being dead has changed him; like he doesn't really give a fuck anymore.
Agreed on the Sansa/Rickon thing; but Jonno had to do what he did, or else he wouldn't be Jonno, right? He kind of has that same brand of pathetic-ness that Brienne does. And uncle Ned too. Speaking of Jonno's pedigree, while looking up the Ozzy podcasts, I happened upon some other podcasts as well, and the argument for Jon being a Targaryen was put forward so convincingly that I wasn't even in doubt—so no real surprise for me at the end of episode 10.
Also, yes, the Red Witch tried to fuck him the second she set eyes on him. Suppose that should have been a giveaway in itself.
The other podcasts were also pretty adamant that the next season is the last, though no one seems to know whether it will be a regular 10 episode season or if they're going to do two lots of six, or something else entirely.
Is Kit Harrington Jonno? How many of those horses do you reckon were CGI? How much of the battle do you reckon was green screen?
I am also leaning towards the theory that Sansa never got a reply from Ladyfinger. However, there is the question of whether on not she promised him anything in that letter she wrote. At this point, it seems not? As for Sansa being pregnant; you're right that it wouldn't have time to play out completely, but it could be a factor in whether she sides with Jonno or Ladyfinger (looking pretty obvious that Ladyfinger plans to betray Jonno at some point).
By the way, it's not just hard to tell time in GoT—time and distance are utterly nonsensical. I think this last episode proved that. It's now reached a point where it's actually throwing me out of the story.
Mama Stark was Catlyn (or Catniss, or fuckin' Cat-somethin'). For some reason the only characters whose names I can remember are the long-dead ones.
Good call on Tommo not being long for this world. The way they did it was beautiful. I don't mean that I got a giddy thrill out of it—I mean it was artistically beautiful. I actually felt a twinge of sympathy for the poor wee bastard. Good-natured young fella who was too naive to realise he was getting fucked over by everyone, including his mum.
Obviously, Cersei's victory is going to be short-lived. What happens if she's captured by Tyrion? Who does Jamie side with? Cersei always said about herself that her love for her children was the only decent thing about her. If she goes too far off the deep-end, perhaps Jamie will be trading in his old nickname for a shiny new "Queenslayer" moniker.
#EPISODE 10:
13:22 | Goodbye Pycell. Don't think anyone is going to miss you—and frankly—I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.
14:11 | Ditto Lynel Lannister … or whatever the fuck your name was.
15:29 | Okay, they're down in the tunnels under the city. I thought they used all of the mad king's dragon-fire on Stannis' ships; is Cersei going to blow up the Sparrows & Queen Madge? I hope not. That would kind of be a rubbish way to wrap up this sub-plot. Like having a thrilling chess game conclude with someone kicking over the table.
15:53 | Maybe Madge will be clever enough to get herself out. We might salvage something yet.
16:26 | Run Madge, run!
17:33 | Oh, bugger. This is fuckin' crap.
22:01 | So, what's Mountainstein actually doing to the nun at the end of that scene?
22:34 | Tommo commits suicide. I'm calling it.
22:54 | Okay. Technically I was right. Just didn't think it'd be that quick.
23:15 | Also, now that Tommo's gone, they're right to kill off Cersei (maybe also a suicide?) … but that still leaves the question of how they resolve the Hound/Arya/Mountainstein arc.
26:37 | That'd be a surprising end for old Jamie, wouldn't it? Murdered by old-man Frey?
31:35 | Yes, yes, the library's very impressive. Give me a searchable database any day.
33:13 | Points to Davo for doing this in front of Jonno and not quietly knifing the Red Witch in her room.
35:52 | Smart money says Red hooks up with the Hound and his new mates in the Brotherhood. Unless Davo goes after her.
37:32 | Is Sansa going to say WHY she didn't tell Jonno about the knights of the Vale?
38:03 | This scene feels like they're setting up for Sansa to betray Jon. Dunno how much sense that makes, it's just the mood of the scene.
40:18 | I was just about to say, "It looks like the Tyrells & the Martells will be hooking up with Danni", and lo and behold, look who appears.
43:53 | … and Dazza runs back into frame and he and Danni have one last root before parting ways. … No? Oh well.
47:40 | Fuck me dead; does old-man Frey ever stop fucking eating?
49:12 | How the fuck did Arya get there that quickly? Can she teleport now? The laws of time and space mean nothing on this show. Also, has her wound healed? Why wasn't she this good when fighting the stick bitch? Oh well, hey Suze, you were right about the fate of the Freys.
58:10 | Whoa, the little Mormont girl survived the battle with Ramsay. Jesus Christ, how tough is that little sod? I think I have a new favourite character.
101:42 | How long did they actually go on chanting "The king in the north!"
104:00 | Well Cersei's queen, but there's nothing really interesting left to happen in King's Landing, is there? I mean, apart from Danni showing up next season.
106:00 | Where do the dragons perch when their wings get tired? Do they bob around on the water like a pelican?
106:13 | Wait, Verys is back in Mereen? Already!? What the fuck!? He can teleport too!
From a fantastic episode to one that was pretty ho-hum. I have this terrible foreboding that I am not going to enjoy the final season.
I liked the final episode. Was funny though, we had internet outage and even though I run a business and had invoices and super to pay, didn't give a fuck about that but was freaking out about not being able to hook into my in-law's Foxtel to watch a fucking TV show. (We went to my sister's in law. I did Cersei hair, and took Cersei goblets to drink red wine out of.)
Thought the Tommen thing so well done. Was amazed by Cersei, I thought she was going to be executed. But no. She was dressing for war in that opening scene, or battle. Or coronation. And a funeral. Do you think she had any idea Tommen would kill himself?
Loved Arya killing off old Walder Frey. But it was a bit unbelievable. The way she got there so quickly? Same with Varys. Argh. Loved the final scene of the armada, it was pretty cool. Also loved the scene between Dany and Tyrion when she gave him his brooch. Got a little teary. Also Sansa and Littlefinger scenes. Also Lady Mormont's speech to the men - KING OF THE NORTH KING OF THE NORTH
the way they glossed over that exchange between JOn and Sansa - oh sorry I didn't tell you, that's ok.
What else? The flashback to the tower and the baby. I also wanted Jon to be son of Robert Baratheon, thought that would be good. BUt whatevs.
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About next season, there is talk of splitting it into two seasons, but how many eps per season I don't know. I also reckon now that the tv show and books have diverged each may become an independent entity in a way, eg same characters and same ending but different pathways? Interesting...
I really don't want Dany to get to Westeros. She may get south but can't see her going north. I don't want it to be a simple fix with dragons firing on the Night's King and killing him and his dudes. It needs something larger and more magical than that, like Jon Snow somehow being the new Night's King and restoring balance. Or summat.
One thing about the last epsiode, it was all about the women, and I loved that so much. It was like George / the makers were going 'let's make this all about women and power' it was fantastic and so rare. We just don't see ourselves reflected in that way so I wanted to fist pump all over the place, in my Cersei hair.
By Cersei hair, do you mean you lopped it all off?
I don't think Cersei knew that Tommen would kill himself exactly, but I think after Marcella died, a part of her resigned itself to the witch being right about her outliving all of her children. So that part of her knew he was going to die no matter what she did.
Strangely, I found the scene between Danni & Tyrion a little flat. But I hope little Miss Mormont becomes a regular. I really like her. I wouldn't be surprised if she gets killed by Ladyfinger, especially if they decide to make into a full-blown villain.
I also noticed that we've reached a point where most of the male characters have been killed off, and we're left with a story largely about women. I didn't fist-pump, but I certainly noticed.
Also, I do not want the finale to come down to dragons roasting zombies, but I fear that's what it'll be.
One thing that came up in the various podcasts I listened to: Apparetly Martin is working on the show to the point that he even has writing credit for some of the episodes. Now, the show is called "Game Of Thrones" and not "A Song Of Fire And Ice: A Super Faithful Adaptation", so it's entirely possible that Martin himself is intentionally diverging them into two separate stories. So, there's a number of reasons why he might do that, and it's probably a combination of factors, but the most cynical possibility is that it'll help sell more books if the endings are different.
I know you don't have much time at the moment, but I just wanted to mention that I feel that more has happened in the last 3 eps than happened in all of season 5.
Aaagh! I'm so behind Suze.
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